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Agnosticism = Intellectual Honesty


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Christianity in particular and religion in general are of particular interest to me since I was raised in a Christian home, went into the ministry at age 16, did my undergrad and graduate studies in biblical studies (I graduated with my M.Div. from The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY). About 5 years ago, I started seriously reconsidering my beliefs -- why I believed what I did and just WHAT I believed. Although I had been into apologetics since I was a teenager, I was simply not satisfied that many of my quesitons had been satisfactorily answered. I have always been a seeker and a kind of academic nut. While in seminary, I found myself studying archeology, ancient Near Eastern religions and, in particular, I focused quite a bit on the Genesis creation accounts and the Primeval History (Chs. 1-11) -- where they came from and how they were influenced by other ANE myths and stories. I swung to the left quite a bit, but a divorce caused me run back to my traditional roots (the psychological reasons for this we can discuss in another blog, perhaps). After I remarried, I went back into the pastoral ministry. For years and years, while pastoring sizable churches, certain questions continued to vex me. I felt silly giving stock (if yet still sophisticated) answers to my parishioners who also had similar questions. Finally, while still pastoring a 1st Baptist Church in Illinois, I decided to venture outside Christian books and articles (including those that "taught" about the "other side"...you know, those apologetics books that supposedly teach you about evolution, etc., but really only tell you part of the story, or distort it in some way). What I began to read (when I read with an open mind and honest intentions) astounded me. I couldn't get enough. I read many recent books on evolution, the human brain, cosmology (though that is a subject I had read on in the past), the historical Jesus, the evolution of the New Testament church, took several psychology courses from a local university, and on I could go. I found myself slowly but surely changing. The feeling it evoked in me was a mix of exhileration and trepidation; it was both thrilling and terrifying. Part of me wanted to run back to my traditions. Part of me knew I could never go back. The transformation from within was amazing. Since then, I continue to read, to seek. I am not an atheist, yet no longer am I a Christian either. I am glad to be where I'm at -- still seeking -- and paradoxically hope that I will never feel I have captured the truth; for, truth is not something to be grasped, but sought after.
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interesting blog in particular and interesting site in general. I wil bookmark it and continue to check in. Good post------------------------ice ------------------p.s. I am an agnostic, and as an old philosopher once said, "it -- agnostism is the only true religion". One little book that I've always liked is "The Story of Philosophy" by Will Durant, and, while I think you probably "know of it", and quite possibly have read it, I would like to invite you to my blog to read my post - titled "The Story of Philosophy" by Will Durant. If you've never read the book, I highly recommend it. Thanks, Ice  
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by Icemelts (PM , CC ) on Thursday November 24, 2005 @ 10:29 AM




Hi Ice. Thanks for your kind words. I will check out your blog right away. :-) And yes, I have read Durant's book... an excellent read and something I wish more people would digest. Thanks again!  
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by Agnosticus (PM , CC ) on Thursday November 24, 2005 @ 11:55 AM




This is a thought-provoking blog by an individual who has spent a lifetime of study and thought as he struggled with establishing "truth" and "meaning" for his existence on this planet. Although some of might disagree with his worldview, we must at least give him credit for arriving at that view as a result of long, arduous study and thinking, and not as a result of some blind faith handed down to him. A famous writer and philosopher once said, "Tell me where you are from, and I will tell you what you believe." That quotation would surely not apply to this individual.  
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by Whit's Whittlings (PM , CC ) on Thursday November 24, 2005 @ 12:39 PM




Thank you, Whit. Your words are very kind and actually almost brought a tear to my eye. Very seldom have I experienced much encouragement in the changes I've made. Friends, family and other ministers have often chided me for my decisions. I have been called a heretic, a false prophet, an apostate, and a liar. I'm not trying to ilicit sympathy, here; just trying to explain why I appreciated your encouraging words. Thank you.  
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by Agnosticus (PM , CC ) on Thursday November 24, 2005 @ 7:27 PM




It seems that sometimes "religious people" are a lot like the Bush administration: when confronted with any dissent or opposing viewpoints they start calling names and making accusations rather than trying to defend their (perhaps indefensible?) positions.  
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by notacynic (PM , CC ) on Friday November 25, 2005 @ 6:34 AM




I would agree. Any position of faith is indefensible in any empirical manner. Faith issues are perhaps "defensible" from a psychological standpoint. One can argue that religious beliefs can be beneficial in various ways to the individual...maybe even for a society in certain limited ways (and equally detrimental it should be noted). But using science (including psychology) to prove the *validity* of the supernatural is simply not possible. Spiritual things (whether real or imagined) are only accessible by faith. I personally lean toward the idea that "spiritual" things are psychological experiences.  
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by Agnosticus (PM , CC ) on Friday November 25, 2005 @ 4:38 PM




Agnosticus, Thanks for checking out my blog. The reason why my posts are so long is I was cheating on them. Most of the posts are rewritten from my website at - http://christianbalance.org/ ,- my site promotes a tolerant attitude ......a Christian "balance" in other words, between all Christians. Christian Balance as a whole is the "balance" we as Christians should have in our decisions pertaining to our beliefs as Christians. I hate typing and if I can take things I have already written and make them into a post - it is just easier that way. I have sort of the opposite story that you do. When I was around 17 (don't remember exactly) I was in a Sunday school class where they were proposing that dinosaurs lived about 6000-10,000 years ago when Adam and Eve did, and that the ages of earths history were wrong. That got me to thinking that their literal Genesis ideas were a bit flakey. When I left home and started of on my own I also started to neglect church and God altogether, because I couldn't reconcile creationism and evolution. I was an agnostic then (for about 20 years). Then in 1996 I had an accident (broke my wrist) nothing too serious, but the time off of work got me to thinking. I started to think that there were ways that the Genesis account taken even more literally, could be similar to events in evolution. So that and other things I wrote are in my blog. The one for a more literal Genesis accounting (some parts of it are of course similar to ideas others have said , but some are to my knowledge original)is the post "Creation and the “Big Bang” theory". I think my part about faster than light travel of the primordial matter in the first instants of the big bang explosion, and that this primordial matter may have traveled even billions of light years before before starting to turn into ordinary slower than light particles, may be a new theory even in secular terms.  
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by nhbneil (PM , CC ) on Saturday November 26, 2005 @ 12:59 AM




Have you seen this website before-- http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm - “If you can read this, I can prove God exists” by Perry Marshall. Basically he says his proof is irrefutable.  
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by nhbneil (PM , CC ) on Saturday November 26, 2005 @ 2:19 AM




I've heard of Perry before. As so often is the case with apologists, Perry is not a geneticist or even a biologist, yet he claims to be able to "prove" God's existence using these disciplines. That alone raises a red flag . However, despite his inflated claims, he has also been extensively refuted due to numerous errors he has made in his assumptions and information in general (Big surprise! That's what happens when a non-expert pretends to be an expert). A quick google brought up this website where (if you search it for his name) you'll see several points where he is in error. (see http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/paper/ev/blog-ev.html) The author, Dr. Tom Schneider, is a molecular biologist. Another interesting red flag that flew up when I was browsing Marshall's website was, at the very bottom, his suggestions for further reading included Hugh Ross's books... *blech* Interestingly, Ross is one of the few apologists who actually is a specialist in his field, but, alas, has been completely discredited by his peers because of his off-the-wall theories and his abandonment of well established scientific evidence in cosmology.  
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by Agnosticus (PM , CC ) on Saturday November 26, 2005 @ 9:26 AM




screwup/ with all due respect. i think there more to your disbelief than you are expressing. do you really want proof . do you think you are here for a purpose. even the philososphers you have mention have no clue gives purpose. just a lot of jargon based on what they observe and come to their own conclusion. if you look science and read the Bible you will see where science has proved that their is something to a grand creator. i am not talking about the controversy that that school are having today about evolution and creation. something that is more solid has comm along. wil get back to you.  
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by screwedup (PM , CC ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @ 1:15 AM




screwedup -- I would *love* to have proof. Unfortunately, I don't think proof in any testable sense is possible when it comes to spiritual things. As for meaning and purpose, I don't buy the popular Christian insistence that God must exist in order for there to be ultimate purpose in my life. We create and sustain our own personal meaning and purpose -- even Christians who claim their belief in God give their lives purpose are doing that. As a non-Christian, I too choose where I draw meaning and purpose, and it works for me. :-) Incidentally, science has certainly not come close to "proving" there is a Creator. If that were true, scientists everywhere would be converting. Certainly, some scientists believe in God, and a small faction of them believe that science can offer evidence for God's existence, but most agree that proving the existence of God using scientific methods is simply not possible.  
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by Agnosticus (PM , CC ) on Tuesday November 29, 2005 @ 9:50 AM




Thomas Aquinas agrees with you.  
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by Thomisticguy (PM , CC ) on Saturday December 10, 2005 @ 1:26 AM




For some eye opening pictures of spiritual manifestations during church worship services that get you thinking about things that we cannot see, you should check out www:orcuttfoursquare.com and scroll down to new pictures, might help your belief.  
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by earsthathear (PM , CC ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @ 1:35 AM




I have a son named "Christian." I am "born again." It is exiting to be able to use your logic and think for yourself and not force things. The pursuit of truth is exciting and I think it is not obtainable. IF there is a diety we are not meant to discover it. I think pure athiesim is a leap of faith as well. Stating that noting exists but the material world when we don't know the true nature of our existence in time, space, etc. is quite an ASSUMPTION. I think the only logical conclusion is to be an agnostic.

I really don't care if there is an afterlife. Not existing seems peaceful and less of a hassel than living in heaven actually. I won't mind because I won't have a mind!

I also found a relief and comfort in the true random nature of things. Before when it was explained that everything was all a part of God's plan and there is war, hunger, etc., etc. Well it kind of seemed premeditated. I find it more comforting to think of it as an accident.

I feel much more religious and much more at peace. Right now I am reading "Spirituality Without God" and exploring spiritual humanism.

Letting oneself out of the box and out into the whole universe!!!! It is freeing and religion imprisoned the miracle of my mind, what it is to truly be human....
 
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